Have questions about where to purchase native fish

Discussion in 'Native Fish' started by Aqua-b, Jun 21, 2018.

  1. Aqua-b

    Aqua-b New Member

    Any ideas on where I can purchase 2 green sunfish, 2 black crappie, 2 perch. I would like to start a native tank, I’ve called several fish farms, they only do wholesale. One fish farm told me he couldn’t help me until I had a license, which led me to believe that I needed one. I have since found that is not true, but am no closer to my goal of having these fish in my aquarium. According to DNR I need proof of purchase of these fish. Any feedback is greatly appreciated
  2. JeffW

    JeffW Well-Known Member

    Contact Tad Storm on the Green Bay Aquarium Society. He use to sell all of them.
  3. JeffW

    JeffW Well-Known Member

    If you can't contact him ask John Moyles how to get a hold of him in that group.
  4. Aqua-b

    Aqua-b New Member

    Thank you, I will give him a try
  5. Sean S

    Sean S Executive Board

    Brian Torreano at BT darters also does natives, not sure what he has available though
  6. Narwhal72

    Narwhal72 Well-Known Member

    Brian T. has retired from the native business last I heard.
  7. Aqua-b

    Aqua-b New Member

    Thank you Jeff. This is tad’s Response to me. I just thought I would post if anyone needs the info for future reference.
    I raise bluegills, perch, koi, and occasionally crappie. I have a type two fish farming license. That is what the DNR says in an "Authorized Dealer".

    The reason that most fish farms wont work with you is because it is just not worth it to the farmer. These fish only cost a buck to two each, and for an aquarium, you will only purchase a few fish, so maybe $10 or $15 bucks worth.
    Fish farms typically sell hundreds or thousands of fish at a time for stocking etc. and the few you want isn't worth the farmers time.
    Also, most of the fish the farmer sells are either in the spring or fall, but seldom during summer, because they are too hard to transport due to the warm weather.

    If you are interested in travelling to the Appleton area, give me a call in the fall and let me know what type, size, and quantity you are looking for, and I am sure I could help you out.
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  8. Aqua-b

    Aqua-b New Member

    I’ve also spoken to several people at the DNR. Joe Bevington was most helpful with the below response.
    I may just attend a public hearing or submit a rule proposal. Not something I’ve ever done before, but I think that keeping native fish would be really cool. I think a lot of our local fish are as interesting, if not more so than some exotics.

    Thanks for reaching out. I have had a few people recently inquire about collecting native gamefish for the purpose of personal aquarium use. Currently, the only legal avenue to collect, transport and possess live native Wisconsin fish is to purchase a Bait Dealer License and apply for a Wild Bait Harvest Permit, much like a bait and tackle shop. However, this permit only applies to species such as shiners, minnows, dace, chubs and suckers, not gamefish.

    Since there has been a recent uptick in the number of people inquiring about hobbiest aquarium permits, I will be sure to bring it up at our next policy team meeting. Another option would be for you to attend one of our public hearings, or submit a rule proposal to your local state senator or assemblyperson. Information and guidelines regarding rule proposals can be found here.


    Hopefully this information helps. If there are any other questions, please don’t hesitate to reach out.


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  9. Aqua-b

    Aqua-b New Member

    UPDATE:
    Hey Joe,


    I don’t want it to seem like I’m harassing you, but I’m new at this. It is kind of a daunting task, very time consuming and all so official.


    So I looked into contacting your legislator, I feel pretty confident with the information that I found there. I used the map locator to find my local representative, Gary Hebl. That sounds like the only action that I need to take, correct me if I’m wrong. It is pretty clear as to what they ask for as far as what I’m proposing when I’m contacting my legislator. I may just do that.


    If I wanted to attend a public hearing though, I’m just wondering how I would do that? The next one that I see is in Madison on 7/17, all the hearings look really specific. Is there a period of time open for public discussion on new topics or something of that nature? Public hearing concerning the proposed revision of Wisconsin's Infrastructure State Implementation Plan (SIP) for the 2015 Ozone National Ambient Air Quality Standard (NAAQS).


    I’ve also shared some of this information with some of my fellow hobbyists, that is how I got your contact info in the first place. There is a group called NANFA (North American Native Fishes Association) and I’ve seen some interest on Madison Area Aquatic Hobbyists (MAAH) as well. I’m hoping that some of them may participate as well, but I’m new to both groups.


    If you could share thoughts as to how I should proceed, that would be great.


    Thanks again


    Brent

    Brent- don’t worry about it, I am here to help! We are starting to get outside my area of expertise, but I’ll do my best to provide you with other resources that will be more helpful than myself.


    The best time and place for this kind of discussion would be at one of the annual Conservation Congress Spring Hearing meetings during the first two weeks of April. The public meetings, held in all 72 counties, allow citizens to comment and provide input to the Department of Natural Resources, Natural Resources Board and the Conservation Congress on proposed changes relating to fish and wildlife management in Wisconsin. Citizens also have the opportunity to submit resolutions for changes they would like to see in the future. More information can be found here. This link also provides guidance on how to submit a resolution as well as a template for a resolution proposal (see; For Your Information at the bottom of the page). This is an excellent resource that you will find very helpful.


    As you are aware, like anything involving politics, these things take time and the appropriate legal avenues must be followed in order to institute a change in law. That said, it seems like you are on the right path and asking all the right questions.


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